I’m delighted today to be talking to or talking with rather, Joanna Plant and Joanna is a nutritionist and functional medicine practitioner. And we’re going to chat about specifically about how inflammation affects the body. And obviously, fertility too so hello, Joanna.
Hello Kat, Hi. Good to be with you.
Really, really nice to have you here. So, could you explain what a functional medicine practitioner is for us first of all?
Sure. So, so what we do is we are, using advanced clinical testing and personalised nutrition to prevent, diagnose and treat health conditions and illnesses. So rather than suppressing symptoms, which is quite often what you’ll get if you go and see a GP, you’ll be given some sort of medication, which tends to be to treat the symptoms that you’re getting, rather than addressing the cause.
So what what we do is we can, we can use these diagnostic tools like the testing and other things that allow us to identify the root cause. And then of course, we have this real and tangible evidence of what is actually going on. This enables us to create a clear and actionable treatment plan, which will incorporate dietry , lifestyle and supplement recommendations. So that’s essentially what we’re doing. We’re actually really peeling back the layers and turning detective and working out what’s actually going on in the body. And then we we addressed that.
It’s fascinating. I love the detective element. And something that I think I’ve mentioned on every podcast and always talked about with people is how you’re right is that control of symptoms, and we tend to look downstream all the time without going upstream to see what the cause might be. So I’m really excited to kind of flesh this out a little bit more with you. We’re going to speak specifically about inflammation. But before that, what brought you first into being a nutritionist and then expanding that further into functional medicine.
well going back even further than then when I was about 16.
I got terrible depression. And you know, after about 10 years on medications, and I was looking to all these sort of what I call external ways of helping myself which was things like, you know, antidepressants, I’ve tried so many different types and none of them seem to be working. I tried all the sort of self help stuff. So different therapies. counselling and psychiatrist talking therapies, acupuncture,
lots of different things and you know, various books, if you could see my my bookshelf and nothing was working and then I realised you know what it has to actually start much closer to home, you’re looking to these sort of, say what I call external things, to try and fix me. But I realised it had to sort of start here. And it was at that point, I realised I actually wasn’t being very responsible about my own health. I wasn’t really paying attention to what I was eating and how I was living, you know, I sort of took this view, you know, if something goes wrong, I’d go to the Doctor and get fixed, but you see, this wasn’t working for me.
So, it was that point when I sort of had this lightbulb moment and thought, you know what, I need to actually look at what I’m eating because, you know, I’m no scientist, but I knew that you know, we are like a sort of bubbling cauldron of, you know, some things going on chemical reactions, especially, you know when you feed the body.
So that was really what prompted me to start studying nutrition and food. And I made these changes, I started to make some changes to my diet. That was really my transformation. It was incredible how I suddenly started to feel better quite quickly, you know, it was quite small changes produced quite as an astonishing difference in a short space of time in terms of how I felt in my mood. So, this kind of got me hooked and you know, I came off the antidepressants.
I didn’t need any of the books or the other therapists. And I mean, this was now Yeah, this is now sort of 18 years ago since I’ve been free of medications, and I manage my depression through the way I eat and live. Lifestyle and dietary , you know ways of looking after myself basically.
So, and I’ve had other things going on along that time as well. One of those things and and this sort of kind of is going to take us into what we’re going to be talking about is that during that time I had a terrible problem with my stomach, with my my digestive system. So I was also in and out of hospital having , lots of tests and colonoscopies to try and establish what was going on with my gut , you know, I had all these awful symptoms of you know, bloating and wind then, you know, alternating diarrhoea, constipation, terrible pains, and with no real explanation and even with the colonoscopies because I still didn’t get any answers. You know, one minute I saying I had Crohns the next minute No, you haven’t got Crohns . They never gave me an answer but, So I’ve sort of I’ve now got to the position where I’ve healed this too. But , I say there’s this there’s this huge link up between the gut and mental health and it’s all about the immune system as well and inflammation. So this is really why I do what I do because now I love the fact that I can educate and empower others to help them be well get well and stay well.
I love everybody’s storey you know as to how they got into what they’re doing. And you can just hear the passion when people come from that. Yeah.
Similar journey to myself as similar to many people I’m speaking with on the podcast that you just start to dig in, don’t you and you read the books and you help yourself and think No, I want to do this. I want to help. So that is amazing. And thanks for sharing and I’m so glad that that you got yourself well, you know, yeah, easy and, and from You know, the age of 16 to be diagnosed with depression, that’s huge. So incredible to get to where you are and helping other people. So that that’s fantastic.
You touched upon information there. And I just wondered, because when I’m working with people, I’ve talked to you about this before that I look at safety and sustenance of the body before procreation. And yeah, and that safety element. You know, inflammation is a big play in there. And inflammation is a big play within the sustenance. So it’s kind of mind and body, I guess, isn’t it? So? What could you just tell me what inflammation is? First of all, when we talk about inflammation.
Yeah, so essentially what inflammation is it’s part as part of our immune system. So we essentially have a three tiered immune system. The first is like our physical barriers. So it’s things like you know, we have mucus in our, in our gastrointestinal tract in our reproductive tract in our urinary tract, we have saliva, we have tears awe have hairs on our skin. So that’s those are the physical berries are all about trapping oxygens and quarantining them as as we encounter them, whether it’s through inhalation or ingestion or touching. And then we have the second sort of line of defence, which is I love this bit actually, because this is what I call like, little army of soldiers. So and so this is our inflammatory response. So essentially, it’s our immune response to any kind of stressors, things like, injury, infection, pathogens.
So the idea of inflammation is, its part of our defence mechanism, itss a healing process. So it’s good it’s a good thing. It’s important for health because It’s all about helping our wounds to heal and helping us overcome infection. But of course, the idea of inflammation is that it’s designed to be acute and temporary.
So essentially thinking about the little army of soldiers. So what’s happening is you find your body encounters some kind of pathogen or stress or injury. And so what happens is the signals go to the soldiers they mobilise from their base, they come to that site of attack, they quarantine and then like, annihilate the pathogen, and then they’re told you know, right once that that job is done, they are sent back to base.
So the immune, the inflammatory response is switched off. So that’s that’s essentially how it works. But occasionally, what can happen is, if we have something not quite right in our system, And this can be caused by nutrient deficiencies, or it can be caused by genetic things. It can be caused by damage to the gut. What can happen is there’s a lot there’s actually lots of reasons. What can happen is if this acute and temporary response becomes chronic and persistent, so we’re getting the situation where it’s done, the soldiers have done their job, but something’s not telling them to stop doing the job and go back to base and calm down. 2Speaker 210:34So when we end up this chronic persistent inflammation, this then disturbed knocks out all the other things processes in the body. And this is sort of over challenging the immune system. It’s not used to being on high alert all the time. And this is, this is what drives chronic disease basically. So it can cause things like depression, Alzheimer’s, obesity, chronic fatigue syndrome, early ageing and fertility.
Because the body shuts down at this point, doesn’t it if it’s non essential? Yeah,
shut down and I know that it (inflamation) can massively, disrupt ovulation and and then we can look at chronic inflammatory conditions like endometriosis and polycystic ovary and so on. But the thing is people might not know that they’ve got this inflammation.
They might present with an illness but people who haven’t got a specific illness or haven’t been diagnosed with any issues relating to fertility, they might be, well, they might have this this high level of inflammation in their body and not know
Well, this is true, you don’t necessarily experience signs. So I mean, for example, if you have got like a compromise gut, (which oviuosly leads to inflammation) , it doesn’t always mean that you’re necessarily going to experience symptoms in the gut. What happens is the inflammation is systemic it is throughout the body. But as you quite rightly said Kat,we don’t necessarily know where the inflammation might be. Because you mentioned Pcos, and endometriosis, and there’s pelvic inflammatory disease. So these are known things that can happen with the reproductive system. But also, it can be inflammation elsewhere in the body, which can still cause inflammation in the reproductive system.
Now, if you go and have a blood test with a GP, yes, they can show you through using two markers that they use there’s CRP and ESR. So these two markers will show you the inflammation is present in the body. But unfortunately, they’re nonspecific. They don’t tell us where the imflammation is. So even though you perhaps don’t have PCOS or endometriosis or you know anything wrong with your repro system, it could still mean that inflammation somewhere else in the body is playing its part. There are tests you can do, actually, you know, that are more specific for information. But that’s, that’s another subject altogether.
Yeah, and the CRP and the ESR, the tests you mentioned that that wouldn’t be in the remit of anything fertility wise because we know that the GP will test you for the standard to blood tests for women for a hormone profile and the semen analysis for a man and it’s to signpost you as to which assisted fertility method you’re going to sit in the box of first of all,
Theres no deep digging,
I know why I get it because you couldn’t do that for everybody, you know, particularly in the NHS. Its not a bottomless fund, I get that, but there is a lack of information about this Inflammation. So,
what might cause the inflammation? You mentioned diet as one, what might cause that inflammation in the body?
Yeah, so there’s many things but in our gut in our gastrointestinal tract we have we have a population of bacteria. Okay, so we have a mix of good guys and bad guys. And this is normal. And you know, they exist in harmony. They are what we call commensal bacteria. And the idea is that these rub along quite nicely together. There is a there’s a harmonious balance there. But what can happen is things like and again, there’s lots of reasons that can disrupt this balance. This is what we call our microbiome. So, things like stress, low fibre diet, and antibiotics, you know, there’s again, there’s lots of things that can disrupt this balance of bacteria.
And what can happen is the bad guys become dominant. And, you know, you’ve got to remember that they also are living things. So they have toxins and are giving off what we call what we call endo toxins and lip0 poly saccharides in their cell walls and these are toxic to us. So it promotes inflammation and not just in the gut, but systemically so, leading on from that, if we’ve got this sort of dominance of the bad bacteria. This is leaving as exposed to further infection by things like parasites andyeast infection because normally our good bacteria will sort of gobble these things up and keep them in check. So we can expose ourselves to further types of infestation and infection. And you know, things like H. pylori, and yeast like Candida, these things can actually start to borrow in the gut. And this then weakens the integrity of the gut. So the gut gets a degree of permeability of the gut’s meants to be with his lovely tight structure, you know, finely, sort of knitted mesh. And if you’ve got something sort of borrowing in there that’s starting to create, you know, like a hole almost, we weren’t designed to have a hole in the gut . So all of a sudden, even if you eat a really healthy diet, your food is escaping out where it shouldn’t be. And this, your body sees as pathogenic, so it creates the inflammatory response. And of course, you don’t know that this is going on. You don’t address it, then this is what I mean by the chronic persistent inflammation. This just keeps going every time you eat, and this is how a lot of the autoimmune conditions and food intolerances can start as well. It’s this constant, you know, this constant switching on of the immune system, it never gets switched off, it gets over challenge and chaos and then it loses the ability to understand what is pathogenic and what is self and then you end up with your own cells getting caught in the crossfire.
So that’s just a few things that can cause inflammation. So you know, the permeability is what some people may know is the leaky guts.
18:02 And, and of course, there are lots of things that can cause that. So we spoke about the dysbiosis, you know, bacterial imbalance and the parasites and the yeast, but quite a few other things can also compromise the integrity of that gut. So things like painkillers that you buy over the counter, if you consume a lot of these are very corrosive to the gut. So, you know, you’re going to be eroding that nice layer and putting yourself at risk of becoming permeable . Smoking, alcohol,caffeine, and then some more sort of, perhaps less obvious things are things like a high sugar diet and a diet really high in saturated and trans fats because sugar and fats essentially all acidic to the body. And so these are essentially pro inflammatory. So if you’re eating too many of these foods, and you know you’re putting yourself, in a pro, you’re promoting inflammation just purely by what you’re eating.
19:21And it’s really hard, I think, isn’t it because I want to pick up on a couple of things you mentioned leaky gut. I was diagnosed with MS, and one of the first things when I started looking at everything, a big thing that I looked at was leaky gut, and I saw a nutritional therapist and really started to address that. 1Speaker 119:44And I think it can be a bit dangerous when people go into a lot of self treatment. Because sometimes you mentioned good bacteria, people are taking probiotics, but not necessarily addressing the bad ones and I Know were going to talk about gut health in much more detail on another episode. So I just kind of throw that one in there. It’s more about this self medication, I guess that I’m coming to. 1Speaker 120:08But also, when you say to someone or suggest to someone that in order to improve your health, it might be a good idea to reduce x y, z. That’s one thing. But when you say to somebody, in order to improve your fertility, it might be advisable to reduce the inflammatory foods you’re consuming.
20:30 Basically, what you’re listing there with your caffeine, alcohol, and sugar and processed foods is basically saying to a lot of people, so everything you love, we need to take that away. And that with that charge of trying to get pregnant and seeing other people getting pregnant, who are eating all these foods that it becomes hard to make the change, I think.1Speaker 120:55So, what t can a nutritionist and a functional medicine practitioner, what what can you do to support that process, that process of change? And to move away from that? I guess, I guess denial is what I’m talking about.
21:14 absolutely, well, I never try and approach any client or anybody that needs my help by trying to put them in a position of, you know, testing the willpower by say, you can’t have this, you can’t have that.
21:27 And so what I try and do is I always try and put some some other stuff in first. So one thing I would absolutely be suggesting to anybody, and whether it’s about fertility and trying to get pregnant or just general health, you know, ultimately is to make sure that you’re getting plenty of omega three fats in your diet. So, the relevance of this is and I’m sure you know, this Kat, but I’ll just explain This for the benefit of the listeners. So, so it’s really about the balance of omega three and omega six, these two together, and it’s about the ratio of them. These two together are our inflammatory, or our immune system modulators.
22:16 So we know that we need the inflammatory response. Now normally, it’s the Omega six, which is pro inflammatory, which switches on our immune response. So when that job has been done, and we tell the soldiers we want them to go back to base, they’ve done their job. It’s the anti inflammatory, what we call prostaglandins, which switch the immune function off, switch the inflammatory response off, and they need omega three.
22:47 So, can you see, we need both of those, and we need them to be in in balance. But what tends to happen with a typical Western diet, is that by the nature of the foods that we’re eating quite regularly we are taking in more omega 6 and less omega 3. So I will always be saying right, let’s get the Omega three levels up. I’m not necessarily saying don’t eat as much Omega six, because like I get that’s hard. I mean, Omega six is you know, things like you know, eggs and beef and poultry and pork.
23:23 So, they have they have, you know, a lot of value nutritionally. But what I’m saying is try to introduce more omega three as well. So with your meat, what you could do is if you go for the grass fed pasture raised meats and dairy, they will be tending towards having a greater omega three content than omega six, because it’s all to do with how the animals are fed and raised and that kind of thing. And, and then you know, going for a gain with fish go for the wild fish and adding in a lot of seeds to the diet and this is a really easy thing to do you know things like flaxseed or linseed some people know them as chia seeds you know you can sprinkle these on pretty much every meal, I mean chia sees don’t really have any kind of flavour do they? you can put them on sweet or savoury foods, you carry them around with you in a little pot so when you’re at work, you can sprinkle them on your salad or your hot food, whatever you have.
24:31 And things like walnuts and green leafy vegetables, you know, and obviously there are supplements you could go down that route too and even you know, there’s, you know, vegan forms as well like algae and things like that which are helpful. And if you don’t eat meat and stuff. So I would always for anybody, make sure you get any good level of omega three because this is essential for obviously balancing this or modulating the immune response and getting this right balance of switching it on and off.
25:08 So that’s a given. Absolutely, that would be one thing. And then of course, you know, there’s a lot of things like, you know, Herbs and spices that you can use, again, really easy to incorporate into your food. So things like ginger and turmeric. Turmeric contains curcumin, which is the compound that can help reduce inflammation.
25:41 You know, lots of other herbs. So, I mean, maybe this is something we’ll talk more about when we come on to doing the podcast on gut health but there’s a lot of Herbs in there which have like an anti microbial quality so what you were mentioning earlier Kat, about know people can sometimes sort of self medicate and go down the route of doing the pre and probiotics. Yes, that can be helpful, but what you have to be careful is that you’re not feeding the bad bacteria, you’re not driving the problem. You’d be better to start with cleaning up the gut and taking you know, some antimicrobial agents to try and, you know, calm down the bad bacteria but you need to make sure that you’re doing it in a way that again, you’re not killing off the good guys as well. So it’s, it’s doing it in the right order. That is helpful here, really,
26:45 But it’s so hard Joanna isn’t it because there’s so much information, eat this, don’t eat this do that it becomes hugely overwhelming and, and that’s how this self medication can happen and also the quality of the supplements is important. Whether you’re taking the right ones and I guess that’s where the testing comes in, that you do with your clients and that you’re able to test for lack I guess of various substances or an increase in others and then I guess you have that support as well. You know, with working with somebody like yourself. It’s hard if somebody can’t access that and I really love those tips about the
27:32 chia which I call them chia, and I think you know, scone and scone, I guess.
27:40 But we don’t get a lot of wild caught fish. You know, we’re, you know, we’re generally in land and they’re not native to us.
You know, so getting those plant based things is great and, and to get back I think, to what we were designed to eat. Just because we have more available, just because we want things, it doesn’t mean that we don’t need something else and getting back to that intrinsic design of the body. So if we were looking at what people did eat what we were designed to eat, wandering the plains hunting and gathering, I’m not suggesting people start that again. But you know, what, what else can people add to their diet before we think about taking it away? So you’ve got their chia , and we’re talking about a Omega 3’s as well, what are the good things that people can add to help fight inflammation ?2
Sure. So what what everybody should have again, is a really good dose of antioxidants. Okay. So, basically, these are neutralising what we call the reactive oxygen species and these are like destructive little molecules that sort of, you know, cruise around the body. Particularly we get this you know, it’s all part of the immune function you know and detoxification processes, we’ve got things that we don’t need anymore or shouldn’t be there in the first place. And if we don’t deal with these, they’re going to cause inflammation. So it’s things like you know, your brightly coloured, and you know fruits and so like oranges, pineapple and berries. And you know, these are strong, a good form of vitamin C have good high levels of vitamin C and Brussels sprouts, broccoli, and things like red bell peppers and even beetroot And so yeah, already good like for the Vitamin C, which is a very potent antioxidant. And Vitamin E as well is a really powerful antioxidant. So again, this comes back to the seeds if you use sunflower seeds.
29:56 Again, things like nuts, almonds and some of the Green veg like spinach and Swiss chard, avocados, olives and olive oil. And then other antioxidants are things like honey. Now honey is really good also because its has anti microbial properties to and things like quercetin, which you find in apples and onions. And of course, what’s really important is that you have, you are consuming enough protein because protein is what enables us to synthesise our own antioxidants, endogenously in the body. So, it is about you know, again comes back down to variety. So if you are on a restricted diet of some sort, because you’ve chosen, you know, to follow that protocol, just be careful that you’re not excluding some valuable, you know, macronutrients like protein and fats, of course, But also the micronutrients that that you would also be seeing because you also need zinc an iron to make those antioxidants as well with protein. Vitamin D is also really important and it’s all part of the immunecell function as well. So that’s, you know, things like mushrooms again, fish, salmon sardines to the oily fishes, and butter. And it’s important also to remember that things like Vitamins, D and vitamin E, the antioxidant we just spoke about. These are fat soluble vitamins. So you really need to eat fat with them in order that your body can absorb them.
31:53 So if you’re on a low fat regime, you know you’re on a low fat diet, you’re going to struggle to absorb All your fat soluble vitamins, which is what’s been A, D and E and K. So, again, just being cautious if you are following some kind of regime.
32:14 So other things yeah, we just mentioned Vitamin A again, really important in modulating the inflammatory response. So this also plays a part in sort of the braking system. So once the inflammation has started, Vitamin A plays a role in helping to switch that inflammatory response off so stops it from being over reactive.,
32:39 Vitamin A is found in again, the yellow and orange and red vegetables, things like sweet potatoes and carrots, and squash and things like spinach and kale and some of the greens like the turnip greens and the swish chard and mustard and beet greens.
33:04 So we mentioned protein, again really essential to help us give us those building blocks to make the antioxidants,we mentioned the fats, making sure we’ve got a really nice quantity of omega three going in there.
33:23 I think that’s probably it in terms of, it is a balance of balance, you know, and I so I would never start by saying don’t eat this don’t eat that. I mean, obviously processed foods, we know them to be pro inflammatory, because they contain a lot of things that weren’t actually designed for me, you know, chemicals and additives and things like that. And again, you know, saturated trans fats, you know, man made fats, but just not really that they are pro inflammatory. So is about going back to eating foods in the most natural and whole form, as you know, would you would in the old days go and pick them up the field or a hedge as it may be, but I know we are also time for these days. That’s really hard, but you’re being mindful of where you’re buying a produce from and, you know, trying to be creative with cooking from scratch. Everybody thinks that eating healthily is more expensive, more time consuming, you know, and that’s just so not true. It really isn’t true its not the case.
34:40 You can have smoothies, of course part you can get a good level of nutrition and put the seeds in the smoothies as well and get your fats in there as well. Avocado in smoothies is gorgeous.
34:58I know. There are lots of ways there and I think I love how you talking about, let’s look at what we’re putting in, rather than what we’re stopping first because that become that’s quite hard and then you get the Oh, I shouldn’t eat that I should not allowed that. Well actually, if you shift the focus to supporting the body and you mentioned zinc and vitamin C, and vitamin D, which all are massive, they’re key players in fertility and most of us in the UK are Vitamin D deficient. And I do think you know, if you’re doing any testing, that’s a really important test. Yeah, get your vitamin D tested regularly.
35:43 also B6 is a big one, isn’t it? Do you come across that much with terms of deficiencies in people?
36:02 Well your B vitamins can be depleted if you’re very stressed. So okay, who isn’t stressed? So it all comes back down Kat, to having this balance you know, most of the foods we just spoke about are basically saying you need to eat, you know, a really good range of, vegetables, the green and the orange and the Red Veg and and the fruits as well. So, if you if you are eating all of those,and if you’re getting a balance of no carbs and proteins and fats, you’re going to be getting all the nutrients that you need .They are all important not just B6 but all the B’s and all the up you know, all the Vitamins and minerals are really, really important because if you think about the body as a bit like an electrical circuit, it could be something way before that in another process that is missing some nutrient that’s missing way back down the line before you get to trying to, you know, create a fertilised egg as it were. So, you know, can’t necessarily single out and say, Oh, you know, this is what we need for fertility because it could be it’s looking at, you know, that’s sort of what we do, isn’t it? We’re looking at the whole person, we’re looking at the whole body. And, you know, this holistic approach to let’s make sure the body’s not in an inflammatory state.
37:52 Let’s make sure the body’s in a safe state because as you quite rightly say, I I believe That, you know, your body is designed to, it’s not going to foster at, you know, the conception and if if it feels that it’s under threat or unsafe in any way and eating on from that, you know, holding onto the pregnancy as well. So I think it all comes back down to making sure that we are, you know, it’s about that the emotional side as well. I mean, that’s, you know, it’s a whole nother subject, isn’t it?
38:33 We can be here for days, but, um, you know, and then genetics played a part as well. So, you know, we touched a little bit on some of the tests, but it could be that you have some quirk in your gene, which means, say, for example, you can’t metabolise your fatty acids, so maybe that you’re eating your omega threes, but actually you can’t metabolise those.
38:57 So I’m not saying that on its own would be, you know, stopping you getting pregnant, but it’s all part of making sure everything’s working at different stages along the line and, and even things like you could have a you know, so, methylation is you know, is really the chemical reaction that drives all the processes, you know involved in all the processes employee. So, if we have a polymorphous in your quirk, you know, gene that means we don’t methylate properly, this is this is going to be affecting our ability, you know, having an impact on our oestrogen metabolism and appropriate production of sperm and ova and can also affect, you know, that the health or otherwise of the foetal growth.
39:50 So there’s so many things out there that we need to be looking at. And I don’t believe that you know, if you go I mean haven’t been in this position myself, I cannot imagine if you go and see a GP in the national health, you’re going to get this level of somebody looking at it in this level of detail for you. Where is this is what you do and what I do, you know, we can really sort of , its a bit like we were saying earlier, peel back the layers, go back and see what’s really going on with the body as a whole.
40:28 Yeah. And it’s about having a healthy child. It’s not just about getting pregnant, you’re right about the foetus about having a healthy child at the end and being healthy parent.
40:42 Its massive, the stresses and strains that come afterwards are huge. And so you know, That’s why I was really keen to talk about almost stripping it back if you like away from fertility and because that’s added pressure. This is about health. This is abount living better and living longer? Yeah, really, really key.
41:05 So I loved all of that information. And if anybody wanted to find out more about you and and your services Joanna, how can they find you? Do you have a website?
41:19 My website is down for development at the moment but you can always get me on LinkedIn. So I am Joanna-plant-nutritionist on LinkedIn, or my email address is Joanna@Joannaplant.co.uk
41:40 Obviously Kat, if somebody wanted to make contact with me through yourself , I’d be delighted to help.
41:50 And I’ll share all of that in the show notes Joanna and I will also put a transcript up so if anyone wants to look into more detail at some of these foods. But I think the key message here is that inflammation exists, and that our body is designed to fight it to a certain level. But our soldiers, overworked, they’re scared, and they haven’t got the right equipment have a and we wouldn’t want to send an army into defend our country with that kind of level of lack of support. So it’s really important that we support them to do the job that they have to do.
42:30 Absolutely. Yeah
It’s been an absolute pleasure talking to you as ever. And we’re going to talk again, more specifically about gut health, aren’t we? And yeah,
42:44 I’m really keen to talk about Candida as well because massive Okay. So thank you so much for your time.
42:56 No, thank you. I’ve enjoyed it. It’s been really good to chat. And yeah, look forward to our next podcast.